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hi this is tim beckley reporting live

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from beautiful Tucson Arizona for the

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conspiracy journal continuing with our

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unfair unbalanced on the edited DVD

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series and this afternoon goes the

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Twilight we have with us the infant of

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the famous mr. Jim delatosso from

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Phoenix who I always say very jokingly

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he analyzes UFO photos he's known for

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that he's been of course I'm not coast

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to coast he's been on that also to TV

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stations a history channel and so forth

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and I always say Jim is the man who

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never saw a UFO photo he didn't like

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sounds right tonight I'm going to be

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talking to Jim even the fake one that's

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right I a Verger add up he's somewhat of

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a controversial character at the in the

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field and I'm gonna first put some gonna

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ask you if your gym and some I've known

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you for quite a long time you've helped

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me out with my conferences down here and

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um how did you get interested in all

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this I mean professionally you're into a

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lot of different things that have

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nothing to do with UFOs whatsoever right

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and this would seem you kind of seem

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like the odd man out as far as it goes

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well there was a logical progression and

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in the 70s I was in the rocket ball

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guns drugs and girls dummy sound sound

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of lights and everything went along with

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the Tauri business including measurement

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and testing equipment for in Colosseum's

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and you don't tour in the winter very

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simply going toward the lady partner

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trucks we find out things to do with the

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equipment and Socrates ballast a

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producer working on the shroud of turin

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movie contracted me to develop an

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interface in between the iridium testing

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test equipment in his

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ok so I worked on that project for about

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three months it was the Shroud of Turin

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project narrated by Richard Burton it

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was one of the better-known films and

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during that process we met people who

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were also from Brooks Institute of

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Photography random all know our dean of

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faculty who I know to this day still and

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people from the Air Force Academy that

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we're all working on it and another film

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guy named John stefanelli stefanelli

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involved in that project introduced me

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to Jim Lorenzen and a pro and said well

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you've developed a scientific interface

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for the Shroud of Turin mysterious

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project how about examining UFO pictures

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so i said i would but it would take more

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than a year for me to go to trade shows

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analyze the equipment to software the

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people the process is involved in that

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before i could start the first test and

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i spent all of a year with wendell

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stevens we went to trade shows like the

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Society of photo-optical instrumentation

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engineers the big group what happened

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did just looking into what you just suck

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it did you think this is a crazy idea I

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mean have you ever had a UFO sighting or

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no you just said well it's something

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different yeah was something different

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it was interesting uh was licked the

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Blues Brothers I've been selected to be

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on a mission and I thought was it was

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interesting at the time we were working

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on the Moody Blues long-distance Voyager

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to work so I am what you also won't even

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look like an orchestra yeah they had

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also supported by UFOs part of the room

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right but that was son that was that was

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promised for us and I also built the UFO

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for the US festival and the closing of

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the 1984 Olympics that Sophia maybe we

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might say this is kind of implanted in

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you before this lifetime could be I

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we do I have equipment then we do a lot

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about different kinds of equipment and I

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established the process by matching the

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the right hardware and software with

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experts at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in

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navy lab and trw and developed a

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repeatable process based on taking

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photographs of low cars and regular cars

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little airplanes big airplanes little

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UFOs and then unknowns so we have a

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database of dumb it's like a fingerprint

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database so this is this was what that

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protein you were it was with a pro right

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with a pro and Allen Benson gym and

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coral Lorenzen and Rick Gertie's and who

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was head of optical electronics

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industries was on their board did due

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diligence on my process and we tested

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their first 40 pictures in 79 and then

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what could you help from testing those

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first group of how many pictures were

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there 40 and how could you how to do you

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tell the real one the real unknowns from

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the hubcaps well did you do a bit of

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separation before yeah yeah yeah we did

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test with as I said small cars and large

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cars and compared to properties model

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distances and different objects went to

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Hollywood company linwood dunn was his

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partner they did King Kong all the way

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through 2001 formidable special effects

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people to get their opinion on different

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distance this this discussing really

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might have play in the the Phoenix

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lights or your analysis what else oh

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yeah analyzing lights though is

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different than analyzing structured

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objects yeah you have to use different

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software and different your guys

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litigator UFOs okay you have it to me

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UFOs you've got the lights in the sky

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variety loser like I see those on the on

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youtube by every day having to me that

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just air balloons and rightly Chinese

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wife and baby probably not but it's hard

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nothing but the black sky time to go

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against it then you have objects of sub

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variety quite a few that show maybe this

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shaped object or some kind of structured

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craft or maybe a model perhaps then you

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out of control where I paid to the other

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two groups that we just got your life

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yeah and all of those the properties of

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moon and a quarter million miles away is

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that day and the painter wants to put a

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painting and say that's a large object a

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paint by number kit large object has

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focus but the lenses make things blur

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extreme examination of both layers of

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holes are have you ever have you ever

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analyzed the film and found that i mean

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to be the case you go absolutely a UFO

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yeah that we find a name name a picture

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the a pro series okay right we're now

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even if the first time that superimposed

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where there's no image don't I mean with

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rocket holes are look at the film in

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film brain is like they're so if there's

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if there's a difference between the film

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an indicator that it's been superimposed

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and large objects and small objects in a

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years we rented time on image processing

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computers inevitably super computer

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centers that we sold time two people

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going image processing so we not only

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knew the finest people doing it had

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access to them we had the finest

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equipment so when naysayers would say

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well you didn't do this right you didn't

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do that right you know that's that's

281
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hard to swallow if you like getting up

282
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and putting a fist into TVs that their

283
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TV set there's one of my favorite

284
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expression so related to that is uh

285
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never try to teach a pig how to sing

286
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that waste your time it annoys the pig I

287
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think that you know so we have people

288
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coming at you that don't know anything

289
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about it they're just being naysayers

290
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I've never had one person from NASA trw

291
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film companies courts where I testify

292
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that murder cases question my

293
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credibility or techniques only in the

294
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UFO only right and let's get back to the

295
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40-foot way okay okay what I was the

296
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afro okay are you selling I can nice

297
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what did you could make any conclusion

298
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that of that I mean than your see to be

299
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more real photos than fake photos or was

300
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a 50-50 or where their photos that they

301
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thought were genuine do you said uh-uh

302
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and vice versa it's like boot camp yeah

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it's like spring training you you throw

304
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everything that you have at it play your

305
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first season and you improve the father

306
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of the following year that year we've

307
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got used to how to talk amongst

308
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ourselves when I say someone says

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shinier what do they need convert that

310
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to mathematic

311
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Morgan please we developed a better

312
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rapport with people that manufactured

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hardware and software and we got much

314
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better at rapidly going through all the

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steps and comparing it to our database

316
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how many how many photographs were you

317
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at a let's say will appear in the next

318
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five years some UFO pictures that you

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look at well hundreds it's become

320
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thousand yes but it would be hundreds

321
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and it takes a long time to thoroughly

322
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analyze a picture it's like a blood web

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you can't just hold it up to the leg go

324
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well it looks okay to me you know while

325
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I wouldn't kind of disease to you that

326
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now did you ever see anything that you

327
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went back to changing mind on later yes

328
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as the processes became more refined I

329
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think we would get more exact in how

330
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large and how far away an object is I

331
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don't think we ever got maybe maybe once

332
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or twice only stumped where we couldn't

333
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find any evidence of a hoax which is the

334
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way I put it we get a match to the Sun

335
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the Moon the Stars and airplane we get a

336
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match what muscle is they later or night

337
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a very a very always very a weekend or

338
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or we go we get a match to something we

339
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find evidence of a hoax or it's an

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unknown so when we would say a rigid

341
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initially we don't get a match in our

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database of nodes and we find no

343
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evidence of a hoax that means it's an

344
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unknown doesn't mean it's an alien

345
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spacecraft we don't say that we say we

346
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say what it isn't because we didn't get

347
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a match in the database and then we can

348
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say some things about how large or how

349
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far away it is and if we did accident

350
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repeat

351
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normal business of car wrecks and

352
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airplane racks and accident simulations

353
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where the extraction of data have a

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picture photo / metrics photo two

355
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numbers mapped into a simulation we got

356
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really really good at that bye-bye the

357
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early 90s I mean we were recognized all

358
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over the country for the quality of our

359
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work in that as we or I and the Tipler

360
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have become sooo merrily discredited in

361
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the UFO field by people that now are

362
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discredited as being Liars but no one

363
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goes back and says oh we're really sorry

364
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that we believe them instead of all of

365
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the science that you are done but you

366
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just you have to you have to accept that

367
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you're going to do it you have to accept

368
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that that's going to happen so yeah well

369
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well now what were there any photos that

370
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particularly impressed you the most of

371
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you look at them saying this is just not

372
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a light in the sky this looks like it

373
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could be something to say it doesn't

374
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prove it's alien but I mean right if we

375
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see a ship in its none airplane or it's

376
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not a blimp and if this shaped and it's

377
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got four no my landing gear on it what

378
00:18:33,050 --> 00:18:28,470
is it right for example the four images

379
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of the billy meier early sightings we

380
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spent a lot of time and a lot of

381
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different land could you Michael Mahlon

382
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yeah Michael Mahlon who fights with

383
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Richard Hoagland and you analyze the

384
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build environment pictures in about

385
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nineteen seventy eight or

386
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he's still a Jet Propulsion Laboratory

387
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haven't even gotten on the Mars project

388
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and even thought about it yet but wasn't

389
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image processing expert found no

390
00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:01,140
evidence of a hoax as did large slept

391
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Lee and others at jet propulsion

392
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laboratory where we could find no

393
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evidence of a hoax and evidence that was

394
00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:12,120
a large object while some UFO groups

395
00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:15,150
were going out to discredit the case not

396
00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:18,600
our job to discredit the disk redditors

397
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right at not also i get your job to say

398
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whether the the explanation for the

399
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photographs or whether you says about

400
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the circumstances they were right there

401
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has really nothing to dry out bearing I

402
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:32,130
mean in fact that he might met these all

403
00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:33,360
right really don't have that much

404
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:35,340
bearing on the on the pictures the gods

405
00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:37,650
daughter so there are some people who I

406
00:19:40,790 --> 00:19:39,270
remember glue you of course the first

407
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,800
photos at window but you were I'm

408
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:42,480
suppressed by but then once I heard the

409
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:44,970
story that went along with it the

410
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,410
interest kind of waiting because the

411
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:47,760
fair skies trying to make it something

412
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:51,330
to them you know called the icon well I

413
00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:53,610
have noticed over the decades that

414
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:55,920
people who witnessed these kind of

415
00:20:03,530 --> 00:19:58,170
things personalities change in their

416
00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:03,540
memory either sharp ends over x rays yes

417
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:07,830
yeah and it happens every time and the

418
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:09,840
confusing thing for me sometimes is

419
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:12,780
who's out there making the discrediting

420
00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:15,570
happen is it mean-spirited people in the

421
00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:19,380
UFO community or is there you know a

422
00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:22,230
three digit agency out there whose job

423
00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:26,190
is to hypnotize people far the third

424
00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:28,230
description off of that you also think

425
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:30,390
that on the other hand it is like the

426
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,570
job of UFO researchers to tackle the

427
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:35,820
question of what these things are and if

428
00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,940
you can't go say I believed everything I

429
00:20:43,460 --> 00:20:40,980
mean me I consider myself part of the

430
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:43,470
experiment middle yeah i mean i can look

431
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,330
at a store that billy meier and see what

432
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:47,760
these photos can be possibly be

433
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,950
legitimate i know for a fact that some

434
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:52,080
horner are not some of the motion

435
00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:53,490
picture footage they show one word

436
00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:55,960
changes color and the japanese narrator

437
00:20:58,830 --> 00:20:57,160
says well this is proof that he went

438
00:21:01,050 --> 00:20:58,840
through sometimes don't know he didn't

439
00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:01,060
color code the around with a movie a

440
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:02,710
match on the colors up you send it to

441
00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:04,690
the lab and they match it to whatever

442
00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:06,550
huh it wasn't done you can tell it's a

443
00:21:10,830 --> 00:21:08,950
hoax it's missing it didn't it slipped

444
00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:10,840
in time and space somebody cut a couple

445
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:14,830
times up right and any one case being

446
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,550
true doesn't bring an understanding to

447
00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:22,480
who they are why they come here even at

448
00:21:27,690 --> 00:21:25,030
13 is your night although I would rather

449
00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:27,700
talk to a thousand have their fees then

450
00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:30,220
the guy that talked to the guy that saw

451
00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:33,640
the report yeah or the guide talked to

452
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:35,740
the guy that saw the alien bodies I'd

453
00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:37,930
rather talk to a thousand abductees of

454
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:41,260
which 800 are mistaken in a hundred or

455
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:43,510
lying and fifty or crazy except it only

456
00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:45,490
takes one that's one that it actually

457
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:49,080
happened to to understand a whole lot

458
00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:52,690
about who they are why they're here well

459
00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:55,420
okay now you've probably been involved

460
00:22:00,270 --> 00:21:58,300
in looking at more photos than anybody

461
00:22:02,340 --> 00:22:00,280
else that that I that I know of and

462
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:02,350
you've also been on the UFO seen I mean

463
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:03,850
nobody denies that your part you know

464
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:05,320
for a long time important whatever the

465
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:09,370
the Phoenix red pack all right yeah I

466
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:11,410
can even have your own the band that you

467
00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:13,690
were a variety right so I mean obviously

468
00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:16,030
you have some personal opinion on this

469
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:18,100
what I am too looking at all these okay

470
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:19,570
two questions after looking at these

471
00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:21,610
photos what is your opinion of that and

472
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:24,100
after looking at the phenomena what is

473
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:25,810
your opinion of that does it differ the

474
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,030
two of them well I had to count the

475
00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:34,000
number of people here so that I don't

476
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:35,860
tip my hand I'm what I'm going to talk

477
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:38,530
about it in that black guy alright eigen

478
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:42,490
I'm going to I'll jump ahead in the 90s

479
00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:49,330
I got a human resources personality

480
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,080
profiling software program the purpose

481
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:55,360
of the program was I'm going to answer

482
00:23:01,020 --> 00:22:58,050
three hundred questions about myself

483
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:01,030
five degrees or strongly agree to

484
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:03,810
strongly disagree I'd rather pain

485
00:23:10,550 --> 00:23:06,210
Houston watching hat I'd rather lead a

486
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,560
group than father I like blue shoes vs

487
00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:13,380
green hair whatever and then you're

488
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:15,660
going to take the same test and analyze

489
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:17,370
me I'm going to analyze me you're going

490
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:21,240
to analyze me I decided to have Robin

491
00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:27,120
quail Jim harder answer that use that

492
00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:30,350
questionnaire concerning

493
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:33,150
extraterrestrials information that they

494
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:35,100
have gathered from hypnotic regression

495
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:36,990
of people said that they've benefited I

496
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:39,210
want to just see what personality

497
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:41,880
profile was on extraterrestrials it

498
00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:43,950
hasn't applied to the same thing found

499
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,430
out some to really interesting things

500
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:49,140
the extraterrestrials always talk to the

501
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,650
humans by telepathy factor what that

502
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:54,960
means in a moment and that the

503
00:24:00,140 --> 00:23:58,200
extraterrestrials never harm the humans

504
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,150
other than kidnapping them which is

505
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:01,980
against the law we did I go to jail to

506
00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:06,960
life if we're talking by telepathy it

507
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:09,180
means that they all know what each

508
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:13,080
other's thinking means no one alien has

509
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:18,450
free will to lie get caught repair the

510
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,370
fixed or personality improve themselves

511
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:22,620
and become a better alien grow

512
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,410
spiritually right humans can do that it

513
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:27,360
won like a time you can go from being a

514
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:31,590
pimp to not be a pencil okay up to an

515
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,450
avatar and what a lifetime I gotta make

516
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:36,000
a living that's right you go from the

517
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:38,250
hand of criminal to a saint in one

518
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,400
lifetime because of having free will so

519
00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:43,860
I I started I thought about that for

520
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:45,660
years and years and years and years

521
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:49,260
until it dawned on me that they're

522
00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:51,930
coming here studying our free will and

523
00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:55,220
arguement attention what if we are

524
00:25:01,910 --> 00:24:57,420
potentially the most advanced species

525
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:01,920
ever and we have masked up picked greed

526
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,290
avarice lying cheating nuclear weapons

527
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,840
etc instead and there's one group that

528
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,840
guards guards us they come in from all

529
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:11,760
over the universe to see what happens

530
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:12,490
when you have

531
00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:15,340
well run a month and they come and check

532
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:17,800
out the poor little humans some of them

533
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:20,610
have to interface with military at all

534
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:23,050
to where is the right job that

535
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:24,520
somebody's got somebody's going to do it

536
00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:27,220
you know human aliens that look like us

537
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,020
yes stop the visitors and say okay you

538
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:34,480
get Peru for five days here's the rule

539
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:36,250
you've got to knock them out and got to

540
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,170
put them back where they came from don't

541
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,240
change their destiny and they're trying

542
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:42,880
to probe them and see if it's is it in

543
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:46,270
the blood is it in the brain where is it

544
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:51,840
that this free will happens in the end

545
00:25:59,970 --> 00:25:55,980
the extraterrestrials have some

546
00:26:03,570 --> 00:25:59,980
situation going on different than higher

547
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:03,580
than or not a danger to our government

548
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:06,130
and our government says just leave them

549
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:08,860
alone and the punch line is there is no

550
00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:12,850
government cover-up if the aliens didn't

551
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:14,200
want there to be a cover-up there

552
00:26:18,419 --> 00:26:16,090
wouldn't be one yes that's the look

553
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:18,429
absolutely absolutely and they're the

554
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:20,770
ones hiding they behave like a stealth

555
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:23,230
invading army they're staying out of the

556
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:26,830
way it's if if our government disclosed

557
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:29,380
that extraterrestrials come here they'd

558
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:32,290
be a no-show yeah we'd have another

559
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,150
podium worldwide government say yes they

560
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:36,400
come here and then two years ago by five

561
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:38,440
years ago by 10 years ago by 20 years go

562
00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:40,270
by there a no-show just like these

563
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:42,160
contactees predicta there's always going

564
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,590
to be a landing with sobriety yeah it

565
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:46,960
doesn't happen it doesn't happen so out

566
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:50,410
of all the testing the photographs after

567
00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:51,530
I mean hundreds

568
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:53,540
hundreds of them it wasn't to get

569
00:26:59,530 --> 00:26:56,570
evidence it was so that people that take

570
00:27:02,680 --> 00:26:59,540
photographs or witnesses can feel like

571
00:27:04,810 --> 00:27:02,690
my services so that they can feel like

572
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:04,820
they can come out and the one's going to

573
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:07,670
make fun it's not so I get more

574
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:11,210
information about what kind of craft and

575
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:13,190
track them all over or whatever because

576
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,130
it'd be like going up on the roof of a

577
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:19,070
skyscraper with cameras taking

578
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:21,290
photographs of thousands of cars coming

579
00:27:27,370 --> 00:27:23,390
and going to work and then analyzing

580
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:27,380
this is a Buick this is a Ford and then

581
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:29,330
what we don't know anything about the

582
00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:30,950
people driving where they're coming from

583
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,020
where they're going that's what happens

584
00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:34,640
in analyzing hundreds and hundreds and

585
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:36,350
UFO pictures we don't know anything

586
00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:39,320
about the people driving them what is it

587
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:41,630
does analyzing on those pictures tell

588
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:44,270
you something about the clamp is there

589
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:46,610
any similarity that you know that we

590
00:27:53,940 --> 00:27:47,900
know that they're different shapes and

591
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:53,950
size I have found some ratios ratios of

592
00:28:02,590 --> 00:27:58,580
width to height like in cigar craft yeah

593
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:02,600
it's a is a 13 think of it as the

594
00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:06,800
unlucky 13 the ratio of the length to

595
00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:10,760
the height is between 12 and 14 and that

596
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:15,740
the taper happens in the last thirteen

597
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:19,310
percent and if there's a ratio with the

598
00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:22,580
height in cigar craft that I always I

599
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:24,800
thought it was very interesting i find

600
00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:31,840
some ratios in disc-shaped craft that

601
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:34,400
put more that together when I analyze

602
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:38,210
disc disc craft and flying flying these

603
00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:39,830
like you know if they come here from

604
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:42,740
another dimension or the planet they

605
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:45,320
still have to go by the rules of our

606
00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:48,170
atmosphere you know what makes an air

607
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:51,800
plane fly or let me ask you this on

608
00:28:56,770 --> 00:28:53,810
some of the billy meier you said some of

609
00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:56,780
the first series you believe but later

610
00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:58,340
on he's got these things that look like

611
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,830
Christmas tree bulbs on top of the craft

612
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,480
the wedding cake or something like that

613
00:29:06,550 --> 00:29:04,280
well now that thing isn't likely to fly

614
00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:06,560
right even across the room well there's

615
00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:11,000
a paradox in that some of those

616
00:29:17,530 --> 00:29:13,580
photographs particularly the ones that

617
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:17,540
are up close the properties of the edges

618
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:20,300
of the craft here and the properties of

619
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:22,460
the edges of the craft there are

620
00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:26,930
different like it's a large object where

621
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:28,940
some of them where it looks like a bunch

622
00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:34,190
of Christmas tree balls all tight is a

623
00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:38,060
small object but it's not the whole

624
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,780
flying machine it's like the top yeah

625
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,070
come on it could be but could it also be

626
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:48,230
best end up in the car or they could be

627
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:53,450
that the point is that it doesn't have

628
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,840
the rest of the flying machine on it

629
00:30:02,170 --> 00:29:59,840
that was in the other pictures it's

630
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:02,180
about three feet and all the balls again

631
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:05,330
well on the large object that's over 20

632
00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:08,830
feet all the balls are about three feet

633
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:11,540
but it's liked it flew off and went off

634
00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:18,780
brought in Connecticut and we met this

635
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:23,020
guy named Robin shellman and he analyzed

636
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:26,710
these sounds and didn't know what they

637
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:29,860
were supposed to be and did a recreation

638
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:32,230
of what it would take as an analog

639
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:35,710
device to make those that sound and he

640
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:40,300
drew a bunch of orbiting balls and it's

641
00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:43,510
in the billy meier documentary from from

642
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:47,980
the late 70s all in all I think that the

643
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:49,990
extraterrestrials really come here and

644
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:51,700
that there's not going to be a

645
00:30:56,130 --> 00:30:54,430
disclosure and even if there was then

646
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:56,140
what we have to get back in the business

647
00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:59,050
oh yeah we got our human lives on a day

648
00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:01,210
to day why don't we be better to each

649
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:04,180
other so if we just pretty creative have

650
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:07,480
fun enjoy what's going on is the same as

651
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:09,430
soon as disclosure happens we're going

652
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:10,840
to take over the government and we'll

653
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:12,910
show you how this planet should be run I

654
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:15,250
don't think so which what's going to

655
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:17,770
happen after disclosure talk about that

656
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:21,250
tonight to some but I think let's just

657
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:22,590
pretend that everyone knows

658
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:26,170
extraterrestrials come here and then get

659
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:31,180
to the business of humans and how we

660
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:33,070
deal with each other so have you have

661
00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:36,190
you had a experience yourself siding or

662
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:42,430
contact doing some sightings oh well the

663
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:45,490
two of them were 10 years apart and I

664
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,490
mean one was with wendell stevens and

665
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:52,960
one was hurt Michael tanner and it was

666
00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:57,360
in tonopah Arizona about 40 miles west

667
00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:01,450
of phoenix on the way to Los Angeles and

668
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:04,120
one was a giant cigar-shaped craft saw

669
00:32:08,670 --> 00:32:07,270
it for about 20 minutes thought was the

670
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,680
end of the world and I thought everybody

671
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:10,720
on the planet must be seeing this right

672
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:15,570
now so so large and bright it was in

673
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:20,560
1979 boom all the things it seven about

674
00:32:25,499 --> 00:32:21,639
seven minutes until

675
00:32:29,999 --> 00:32:25,509
son gohan about 1979 and in about

676
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:30,009
nineteen that's our director / gray and

677
00:32:33,449 --> 00:32:31,690
in about nineteen eighty great wendell

678
00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:33,459
stevens and i were driving back to

679
00:32:40,979 --> 00:32:38,259
Phoenix before dawn and looking at the

680
00:32:44,099 --> 00:32:40,989
gas calculating when is it going to be

681
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:44,109
gone when we're going to get to the gas

682
00:32:51,619 --> 00:32:46,570
station how far do we have to go we're

683
00:32:58,949 --> 00:32:56,969
all the sudden what I fall asleep is

684
00:33:01,440 --> 00:32:58,959
apparently Wendell head fall asleep and

685
00:33:05,539 --> 00:33:01,450
driven off the road and you know how the

686
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,549
car shaking and you wake up and uh oh

687
00:33:11,339 --> 00:33:08,559
maybe we should sleep so he slept I

688
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:11,349
don't know 15 minutes half an hour and

689
00:33:17,999 --> 00:33:14,529
where we were when we woke up was about

690
00:33:20,669 --> 00:33:18,009
50 miles from where he we had been the

691
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:20,679
other direction you know the window a

692
00:33:27,569 --> 00:33:25,809
window goes yeah weird so we went yeah I

693
00:33:29,549 --> 00:33:27,579
didn't that weird and that was it we

694
00:33:31,529 --> 00:33:29,559
woke up we went on driving must have

695
00:33:33,329 --> 00:33:31,539
been mistaken oh yeah and as we were

696
00:33:35,729 --> 00:33:33,339
driving if you're coming install these

697
00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:35,739
huge bright lights over to the right we

698
00:33:43,259 --> 00:33:38,889
thought was the power plant about six

699
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:43,269
months later when told says oh that film

700
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:45,190
that we should be California here why

701
00:33:48,930 --> 00:33:46,769
don't you get all the film process

702
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:48,940
including you clicked off the rest of

703
00:33:55,019 --> 00:33:51,129
the film that was on the can the camera

704
00:33:59,310 --> 00:33:55,029
on the seat of his car pictures are in

705
00:34:02,279 --> 00:33:59,320
San Diego pictures in Tucson and one

706
00:34:03,629 --> 00:34:02,289
picture in the middle I don't remember

707
00:34:07,139 --> 00:34:03,639
taking and Wendell doesn't remember

708
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:07,149
taking is out but the wish yield of his

709
00:34:13,649 --> 00:34:10,889
car from the inside with this thing

710
00:34:16,829 --> 00:34:13,659
right up about eight ten feet away from

711
00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:16,839
the car that looked like a black flying

712
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:21,639
turtle with little white dots on so I

713
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:25,149
put all those together and go yeah some

714
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:28,089
weird happened at the same places we had

715
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:28,570
the other

716
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:31,210
cigar shape cited so I don't know

717
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:34,660
exactly what that was but it was up was

718
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:36,520
an unusual experience other than that I

719
00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:42,040
haven't seen not seen any fish shaped

720
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:44,140
craft replenishing well but you were

721
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:47,350
involved down here in the investigation

722
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:49,270
of the Phoenix and life right what type

723
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:51,070
of the the first report was went around

724
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:53,320
seven thirty seven thirty palvin Arizona

725
00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:56,140
and what what happened at that point a

726
00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:58,120
guy that works at the old private

727
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:00,310
Airport up there called Peter Davenport

728
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:04,410
to say there's a V formation of lights

729
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:08,760
flying directly overhead not one object

730
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:11,260
instead of formation of life line of

731
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,130
light Peter Davenport yeah and Peter

732
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:17,800
took many many reports that night

733
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:20,710
starting with as the first one at about

734
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:24,910
8 30 witnesses all over Phoenix we're

735
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:29,230
seeing it 930 Tucson Arizona turn around

736
00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:33,130
and go back Casa Grande Arizona south

737
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:36,340
mountain Arizona Luke Air Force Base and

738
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:38,830
gone and the state at ten o'clock so 730

739
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:42,610
to ten thirty seven thirty temper headed

740
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:45,910
by the way up if that starts get really

741
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:47,860
dark I think there is a alike thing on

742
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:49,660
the back there and only to the UK that

743
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:51,700
are ok I I was worried when the light

744
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:53,950
came down so happy if you go away and so

745
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,930
far done good night vision I fishing

746
00:36:00,900 --> 00:35:58,720
don't have to just continue this you see

747
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:00,910
all the elbow yeah when they all line up

748
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:03,430
up here i'll swing the camera right

749
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:05,800
shooting beams of light miss Augustus

750
00:36:12,330 --> 00:36:10,170
Cole what do we have on the timeline

751
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:12,340
well I think you're about to record the

752
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,720
way through this table why don't you

753
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:15,280
stop it and then you can finish up

754
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:18,670
inside if you want it okay after his

755
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:20,410
honor dude answers talk right let's just

756
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:21,910
keep going to be here he's going to be

757
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:23,830
here all evening this is well this is

758
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:25,420
flagged okay let's just finish okay cuz

759
00:36:31,470 --> 00:36:28,690
this is our unedited version back what

760
00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:31,480
you hear is watching yeah yeah free with

761
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:33,700
a book it's not twenty dollars

762
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:35,950
okay so the first report came in of

763
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:38,020
lights in the sky license and I wave

764
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:42,700
formation of lights people saw three

765
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:45,540
lights five lights seven lights nitrites

766
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:49,990
generally a leading light and then wings

767
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:52,990
some people said a boomerang some set of

768
00:36:59,610 --> 00:36:56,080
Chevron some said it was structured

769
00:37:05,490 --> 00:36:59,620
because they couldn't see the stars

770
00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:05,500
anymore as it flew overhead lots people

771
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:08,980
said that they saw formation of

772
00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:12,100
airplanes lots people said it had to be

773
00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:14,740
flares because the Air Force said that

774
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:17,500
the well Marilyn s was Connor publishing

775
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:19,930
I was later but with the whole event 732

776
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:23,770
1030 and but some of the reports that

777
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:25,420
came in people said that they saw the

778
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,310
sum of the driveways over their house if

779
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:29,680
the black thought the entire Scott right

780
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:32,370
black out the sky well where's

781
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:35,830
translucent they can partially see the

782
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:40,380
sky through like looking through

783
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:46,090
swimming pool water well was that give

784
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:48,250
us a clue as to the makeup of the object

785
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:49,960
because it doesn't sound like a crap

786
00:37:58,110 --> 00:37:55,420
that's flying hear from some of area 51

787
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,120
well I don't know or I put some people

788
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:00,400
talk about projections in the sky it's

789
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:02,170
over these things be projections can you

790
00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:05,350
tell that from and wise yeah I've talked

791
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:08,920
to people at spectra physics company big

792
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:11,770
blazer contractor about what it would

793
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,930
take to create a hologram that large

794
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:15,760
talking to continue moving that just had

795
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:18,730
to continue moving and the energy supply

796
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:22,020
required to big hologram that big and a

797
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:24,580
hologram that you can see from multiple

798
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:28,690
angles and be bright even John Alexander

799
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,860
I talked about that quite a length what

800
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:34,720
it would take to his doomed as an

801
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:38,230
impossible no it's not impossible

802
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:44,320
so very complex and well then it could

803
00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:47,080
it could be some sort of in that case of

804
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:50,109
sort of military permit to see if this

805
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:52,420
could what reaction job would have yet I

806
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,650
mean that will okay if that's our

807
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:55,720
military doing that yay for our sign

808
00:39:01,650 --> 00:38:59,230
that we can do that Here I am being

809
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:01,660
warmongers like that like I'm talking

810
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:03,880
about the aliens feel so sorry for us

811
00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:07,770
you with da i play with gr Joanna soul

812
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:10,600
well I i mean i think well so if you got

813
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:12,130
to kind of like divide these things up

814
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:13,510
because they're obviously not all one in

815
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:15,250
the same right that's what people i

816
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:17,770
think gets stuck in this is that all

817
00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:19,660
UFOs have to be friendly visitors all

818
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,180
UFOs are here to probe and some visitors

819
00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:28,480
are here to do nothing my opinion is

820
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,800
like you start trying to hide they're

821
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:36,160
gonna let even from some other planet

822
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:37,660
maybe they're right from some here some

823
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:40,180
yeah a separate device that you know

824
00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:42,820
grew up alongside of us and feels that

825
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:45,100
they don't they did doctor say yes don't

826
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,290
like at underground punched looking here

827
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:50,320
when I so you ship yeah yeah yeahs could

828
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:54,340
be anything is possible michio kaku has

829
00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:57,670
our millions of parallel universe theory

830
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:00,250
glad to see him as the new Carl's exist

831
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,230
absolutely we're open access to it yet

832
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:05,200
yeah yeah so now you actually gathered

833
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:06,970
how many reports citing the point about

834
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,850
700 we are dark one point though

835
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,130
altogether there ahead main thing that

836
00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:15,420
has names right that includes City

837
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:17,980
Councilman Frances Barwood Peter

838
00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:21,910
Davenport MUFON and village labs almost

839
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:25,960
1200 reports okay and were all the

840
00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:31,359
objects that we've seen the same no the

841
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:33,640
objects were described differently but

842
00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:36,740
we did a 3d simulation you

843
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:40,940
3d studio max and maya known as alias

844
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:43,490
and wavefront at the time and we created

845
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:47,180
a topographical 3d model a different

846
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:50,810
timeline from different angles and you

847
00:40:59,620 --> 00:40:56,360
know if you if you look at a ruler on

848
00:41:02,620 --> 00:40:59,630
its side it's a line if you flip it up

849
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,630
it looks like a bar and if you turn it

850
00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:04,880
this way it looks like a little tiny

851
00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:07,550
line all the same thing with this craft

852
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:11,300
there are ways to bend it and move it

853
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:12,980
looking at it from different angle

854
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:16,340
what's the closest that it came a group

855
00:41:21,790 --> 00:41:19,250
of people about ten witnesses saw it

856
00:41:23,859 --> 00:41:21,800
around eight-thirty in the sunny slope

857
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:23,869
area of Phoenix which is north central

858
00:41:34,030 --> 00:41:30,670
Phoenix then about 800 yards 2,500 feet

859
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:34,040
and that estimate is given because from

860
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:36,770
where they were the two mountain passes

861
00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:39,260
the mountains are clear to pass but they

862
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:41,600
could look at that they saw it go

863
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:46,310
through the pass slightly under the top

864
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:49,090
of the to the difference in elevation

865
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:53,950
about 2500 k was it always noiseless

866
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,170
always noiseless not one witness said

867
00:42:02,620 --> 00:41:59,119
that it made the sound at all not even a

868
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:02,630
whooshing any other characteristic set

869
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:04,300
up the

870
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,390
right through the object that stand out

871
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:09,550
the Y said some people some people

872
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:11,710
actually saw what looked at me ports or

873
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:14,520
windows with people inside a few people

874
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:18,610
said that it looked like vacation

875
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:21,150
holiday proven not a tour bus after sir

876
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:24,490
windows yeah metal faces right now take

877
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:26,530
you taking pictures like no one said

878
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,600
they were abducted no one said they were

879
00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:31,440
afraid how about a shot for any

880
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:34,660
blackouts any poor reception on the TV

881
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:40,510
no no no no blackouts no thunderstorms

882
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:44,320
no rays of light from the sky so I'm

883
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:46,030
trying to like parallel this between the

884
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:48,790
the sighting in the Hudson Valley where

885
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:50,500
they had as many as I'm with eight or

886
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:53,560
ten thousand witnesses some people did I

887
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:56,920
believe Philip Braque neo having since

888
00:43:00,690 --> 00:42:58,030
book when he did have some sort of

889
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:00,700
telepathic contact or something or some

890
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:02,710
kind of but there was no overall

891
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:05,350
universe alone that's it and how long

892
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,300
did it take for the object to attune to

893
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:10,390
pass by people described it as flying

894
00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:16,060
very slow like a blimp okay but now the

895
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:18,100
reports the last reports of the actual

896
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:20,110
objects that are identified by the

897
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:24,250
military as flares what time did they go

898
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:26,230
off or what time you people here's the

899
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:30,070
controversy the day after deciding March

900
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:32,950
thirteenth local reporters contacted

901
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:35,550
Luke Air Force Base in Phoenix

902
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:38,230
davis-monthan air force base and to son

903
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:40,420
the public information officer of both

904
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:42,730
air force bases that we have no planes

905
00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:45,640
up we didn't know anything about it for

906
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:50,260
months from march to may military denied

907
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:51,580
knowing anything well if they had

908
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:53,110
launched flares why did they just say

909
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,450
the next day in May the Maryland

910
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,480
no guard told funding I just saw

911
00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:02,400
something on the news and spokesperson

912
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:04,950
called up and told the Arizona National

913
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:08,310
Guard spokesman Eileen bends that oh

914
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,980
yeah we had been there that night and we

915
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,079
had dropped flares at the very Goldwater

916
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:15,599
range well there was no record of it at

917
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:19,740
davis-monthan but another call by Bill

918
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,050
Hamilton to the public information

919
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:25,140
officer at davis-monthan response was oh

920
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,630
yes the Maryland National Guard was here

921
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:30,000
dropping flares but they were back and

922
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:32,099
they were back on the ground at

923
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,720
eight-thirty first we don't know about

924
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:39,599
anything second yeah we do know was the

925
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:41,250
Maryland National Guard they were on the

926
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:43,410
ground at eight-thirty say that means it

927
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:45,230
could not have been responsible for that

928
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,810
right particularly since the record log

929
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:51,180
books now showed that they had landed at

930
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:54,900
eight-thirty about a month later after

931
00:45:01,940 --> 00:44:58,380
USA Today does a story and more news

932
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:01,950
about it the all new revised public

933
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:04,440
information officers Troy was yeah the

934
00:45:08,180 --> 00:45:06,150
Maryland National Guard was here and

935
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,190
they dropped flares at about ten o'clock

936
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,640
and then landed does anybody have copies

937
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,200
of the original log book that shows a

938
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:15,240
day there was an attempt to get that and

939
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:19,890
it's been rejected oh yeah right but the

940
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:23,569
news reporters that made the inquiry

941
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:26,700
still have their notes but their

942
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:30,960
newscast air both air force bases say

943
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:33,420
okay where's my remember see you and

944
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,829
that was a sightings and one of these

945
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:36,720
days shows where you actually were

946
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,510
analyzing these particular objects this

947
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:42,359
yes gonna disappear or something what

948
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:44,010
was your conclusion at that time it has

949
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,210
that changed well the lights if you try

950
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:51,599
to superimpose lights from one frame

951
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:54,780
position to another you've got to have

952
00:46:02,839 --> 00:45:58,440
the camera in exactly the same position

953
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:02,849
in the same asmath you know what degree

954
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:04,220
angle looking up and down

955
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:06,830
to match it up and we first did the test

956
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:10,790
in the 90s video frame grabbers didn't

957
00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:14,180
exist with one frame at a time we had to

958
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:16,190
use our animation equipment grab one

959
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:18,470
frame and time try to superimpose a

960
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:20,660
analyze that finger as it behind the

961
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:22,690
mountain is in front of the mountain and

962
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,349
it was so close to the ridgeline that we

963
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:28,880
didn't try to do it by superimposing

964
00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:33,050
anymore we analyzed the red green and

965
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:37,700
blue properties of the lights compared

966
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:41,260
to flares and streetlights and hale-bopp

967
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:44,090
it's called a histogram sometimes called

968
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:49,390
a color histogram or color spectrum

969
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,630
analysis what different intensities of

970
00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:56,960
red green and blue make up this light

971
00:47:02,109 --> 00:46:59,420
versus that light and the other

972
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:02,119
properties of does it change in pixels

973
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:04,670
is it like a flare like a candle

974
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:08,750
flickers wear a light stays on the same

975
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:11,330
if you look at the graph and our

976
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:14,510
conclusion after after studying four

977
00:47:20,740 --> 00:47:16,490
different sets of witness photographic

978
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:20,750
videotapes comparing it to flares we got

979
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,950
a flares expert Chuck Byers who is a

980
00:47:30,339 --> 00:47:27,440
renowned flares purchasing agent for

981
00:47:32,829 --> 00:47:30,349
government agencies his personal opinion

982
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:32,839
looking at it was there not flares but

983
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:35,210
we wanted data we wanted manufacturers

984
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:39,050
graphs numbers data to and then go and

985
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:42,310
shoot flares to compare them when we did

986
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:46,310
color spectrum analysis histograms all

987
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:49,490
that combined is called a sigma the

988
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:53,180
Sigma of this light unknown versus the

989
00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:56,920
Sigma of a flare are very different and

990
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:00,740
we could find no instance of even a few

991
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:03,530
frames in a row where they behave like

992
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:05,960
flares are they a threat of the mountain

993
00:48:11,890 --> 00:48:09,440
behind the mountain doesn't prove

994
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:11,900
anything if they're in front of the

995
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:14,040
mountain it would throw

996
00:48:20,330 --> 00:48:16,950
that they're not flares but if they are

997
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:20,340
above the mount or beyond the mountain

998
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:22,730
it doesn't prove that their flares

999
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:26,790
because the flares are generally the

1000
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:29,970
same direction but the unknowns are that

1001
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:33,000
away now mental errors are to show how

1002
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:34,950
to one okay to anybody who actually the

1003
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:37,500
pilots and all who drop flares I think

1004
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:40,290
had an opportunity to see it they must

1005
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:41,850
have lemon is going to TV a million nine

1006
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:44,760
only one pilot has come forward and

1007
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:46,650
talked about it and that's a lieutenant

1008
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:49,290
Tanaka and he is with the Maryland

1009
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,780
National Guard and he's the spokesman

1010
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:54,240
but he was not in Arizona yeah that

1011
00:49:03,170 --> 00:48:59,750
night I talked to Larry lo a pilot

1012
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:03,180
investigator just last week about the

1013
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,250
real investigation is to go investigate

1014
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,640
the alibi let's go find the Maryland

1015
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:10,740
National Guard people let's talk to them

1016
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:12,870
more than the air traffic controllers

1017
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,010
more than the public information

1018
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,800
officers instead of all of us power look

1019
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:20,160
he's beating each other up go talk to

1020
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:21,570
the maryland-national you are do you

1021
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:23,490
think that if a supermarket in a jersey

1022
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:25,170
do you do you do you think that we could

1023
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,810
see if there is a possible explanation

1024
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:29,460
do you think there's still time didn't

1025
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:31,650
you come up with it and what would it be

1026
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:33,540
I mean that yeah well get me what would

1027
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:35,070
it improve and what's going to happen to

1028
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:36,930
it you know on a lot of good witnesses

1029
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:39,660
in investigator style yeah that's kind

1030
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:42,930
of well we've reached beyond that point

1031
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:45,690
you yeah they've ever done rock by

1032
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:48,210
leaving us alone that what if they that

1033
00:49:51,590 --> 00:49:49,740
run again i think you and i will be

1034
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:51,600
useful to look later know what this or

1035
00:49:55,850 --> 00:49:52,890
anything this is what I've always

1036
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:55,860
thought yes that's my ace in the hole

1037
00:50:03,609 --> 00:49:59,130
right i do have enough for the trial and

1038
00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:06,020
what would you would you say that that's

1039
00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:07,590
that's the most well first of all even

1040
00:50:10,570 --> 00:50:09,270
analyzing these photos that it's come to

1041
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:10,580
a point we know that there have been

1042
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,350
thousands of photos somewhere legitimate

1043
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:15,540
some have been faked and hopes that some

1044
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:17,460
of them are just misrepresentations of

1045
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,770
something some of them what percent

1046
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:21,540
would you say seem to be of something

1047
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:24,900
that you can't identify but that

1048
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,800
necklace would mean anything either

1049
00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:27,000
because you're probably missing a lot of

1050
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,830
photos of you have seen either yeah and

1051
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,960
that's what's kind of muddies the waters

1052
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,640
here is because you have so many

1053
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:35,160
sightings in the log of men like you

1054
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:37,170
know Peter Davenport he does under Jesus

1055
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:38,430
the first admit he doesn't discriminate

1056
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:40,859
somebody calls up will report and that's

1057
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:43,800
the the report who just what column do

1058
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:46,230
you put in who really decide yes you

1059
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,170
know I mean they decide you see people

1060
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:50,640
that are right on the other side of that

1061
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:52,530
lens right there they're watching us I

1062
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:54,810
hope you're right it's some changes on

1063
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,270
[\h__\h] drop my western us five I hear them